"I think for Steve, it’s just so important for him to contribute something. He doesn’t want to be in the shadows. Bucky in this version has always looked out for him and been very overprotective. He’s had Steve in his mind in a certain way. He’d never want anything to happen to him—he’s the only family he’s ever had. […] I think for him there’s an element of, "Okay I’m going to go fight and I will survive this one mission and then I’ll come back and I’ll not go back." But the problem is that he has no choice because Steve’s going and he never lets Steve go by himself. […] Bucky’s like, "It’s you and I care about you—of course I love you." - Sebastian Stan [x]
Anonymous asked: I read your Winter Soldier analysis, and I have a question : you say that "There’s a reason his code name is drawn from an investigation into one of the ugliest chapters of American history." Please help a non-American understand what you meant? I mean I obviously see the Cold War reference in the movie, but from what you've written it seems like something more subtle *within* the Cold War... shit, I mean just "Cold War" seems too evident and I can't find the deeper meaning?
Oh gosh, don’t feel bad, there are plenty of Americans who have never even heard of this.
The Winter Soldier Investigation was a 1971 veteran-organized media event intended to draw attention to the war crimes that had taken place in Vietnam. Directly inspired by the exposure of the My Lai Massacre (the mass murder of over five hundred unarmed civilians by American troops) in 1969, Vietnam Veterans Against the War (VVAW) brought together discharged servicemen from every branch of the military to discuss the atrocities they had seen and committed during their time in the war. They hoped bring these tragedies before the public eye, and to prove that American military policies led directly to the death and torment of civilians. Eventually a transcript from this conference made its way before the Senate Foreign Relations Committee during the Fullbright Hearings.
When Ed Brubaker, the author who wrote the original Winter Soldier arc, chose the name, he wanted something that would call up both cold Siberian winters and the atrocities of war. This fit the bill.
But the term itself, the idea of “winter soldiers”, was coined by VVAW as a response to the writings of Thomas Paine, who described the men who deserted at Valley Forge during the American Revolution:
These are the times that try men’s souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country, but he that stands by it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman.
A winter soldier is someone who will warm their hands over a meager fire and weather the cold. Someone who refuses to abandon their country and its potential, no matter what the personal cost.
So how’s that for a weird little twist? According to Thomas Paine—activist, political philosopher, and revolutionary—the real winter soldier is Captain America.
No. The “winter soldier” of the Thomas Paine variety is Bucky of the comics. It’s kind of the essence of his character.
While all of the information about the Winter Soldier Investigation is interesting, it has no relevance on Bucky Barnes. The title is taken strictly from the Thomas Paine quotation.
No, Brubaker was definitely aware of both the Investigation and the Thomas Paine quote when he came up with the name:
"I came up with the name in 2004, when I was pitching for [Captain America]. I liked the sound of it for a Russian assassin from the cold war, and also liked its connections to Thomas Paine, my personal favorite founding father. The “summer soldier” quote is from The American Crisis, and I believe he meant that the summer soldiers are only patriots when it’s easy to be, but the winter soldier is a true soldier for the cause.
But yes, the first time I heard the specific name was when reading about the Vietnam War and the Winter Soldier hearings. I think that sparked something, a name that could imply Russia’s cold winters and the cold war, that was also tied to atrocities in another war, and that connected all the way back to the American Revolution. It’s a very evocative name for a Captain America villain”. x
Ah! The more you know! Thank you very much for citing the information. I had only read about him being inspired by the Thomas Paine quotation. Thanks!
Reblogging for the Brubaker quote. Because ALL of the meanings of “Winter Soldier” were meant to apply to Bucky, because obviously the character as Brubaker wrote him encompasses all those things - the cold, the unwilling war criminal, and the soldier who never flinches from what he feels is his duty no matter how hard things get. The MCU just hasn’t gotten to some of the best aspects of his story yet.
I think it’s important not to strip Bucky of the title of a winter soldier, because he in himself embodies an indictment of the human cost of war (both the victims and perpetrators of this kind of violence and where those two things intersect) that the hearings were meant to expose. However, Steve is the one exposing that underbelly in this film. That’s also important. The thing is, you can’t have Steve without Bucky, and I don’t mean that on a personal level. You can’t have Steve in everything he represents, the bravery and nobility and hope for the future, without Bucky in everything he represents, which is atrocity and sacrifice (that is, the sacrifice by those in positions of power of those who are not). Steve himself doesn’t try to pass off the burden of this: when Fury speaks of the “greatest generation,” Steve includes himself in it; he says, we compromised. On a personal level he feels responsible for what happened to Bucky, but narratively speaking Steve is also acknowledging his own part in what happened to him. Don’t forget that so many of Steve’s choices, his need to be who he became particularly for the war effort, were what caused Bucky to become what he became. Don’t forget Bucky was there for Steve, not because he would have chosen it for himself. So they’re both winter soldiers, because the two go hand in hand.
so basically someone “really wanted” the initials of SHIELD to spell “SHIELD”, the original location of SHIELD HQ was at Camp Lehigh where Steve was trained, and the original logo looked like this(as seen on the wall in said original HQ)
FAMILIAR? NO? HOW ABOUT NOW
I feel like there’s that special moment for everyone when they figure out SHIELD was named after Steve.
Chris Evans doing his own stunts on “Captain America: The Winter Soldier”…
He’s also clearly doing the bulk of the fighting in the footage they’ve released so far. Ditto the rest of the cast - they really went out of their way to make this as real as possible.
Forever reminded of the commentary for The First Avenger where they discuss how Chris Evans moves and runs and how unique it is, how much it’s like a dancer (because he did dance as a kid and he brings that shit naturally) and how they eventually decided to try and have him do as much as possible, especially the running, because his physical characteristics and movements are really hard to duplicate. That clearly carries over to The Winter Soldier.
Who Chris Evans is and how he moves, is now who Steve Rogers is and how Steve Rogers moves. I think he demonstrates that even more in this movie with all the extra training he went through and the input he had on the fighting style and shield use. Not to discount the awesome and vital work from the stunt people, though, who are an integral part of the whole thing. And they had their work cut out for them trying to match the uniqueness of Chris. I’m sure they did it perfectly.
I love how in one of the featurettes for TFA they talk about how Chris’s physicality informed the motion of the shield and not the other way around, how he gave them the movement and that determined how the shield was thrown and handled in general.
I just really cannot imagine how anyone else could’ve been Steve Rogers, he plays him so well on both an emotional and physical level in ways that are so subtle (because that in itself is Steve) that I don’t think casual viewers even fully appreciate it.
At ease, soldier.
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#christ this is the most devastating #origin stories are the worst best #steve rogers #bucky barnes #forged through every kind of pain there is; weaponised humanity unleashed for such diametrically #different purposes #(and yet the same. soldiers. weapons. the strong hands to turn the tides of wars so much bigger than they know) #these films are so bloody smart about the visuals; all these scenes for these two that go hand-in-bloodied-hand #that bucky has to be reborn again and again and yet it’s really a kind of dying; until he’s little more than ghost #in the most brutal of ways. man. fuck this. goodbye. #captain america #the winter soldier #but also just weeping about the lines of their bodies and the painfully echo-y but distinct #forms of submission in the way they let themselves fall back. #there’s something so feral and tormented and non-human about sebastian stan’s face and that lank hair cutting into his eyes #but he still submits. #and there’s steve who is visually every frailty humanity could possess but so brave and hungry to do this #because he believes in it even if he’s scared as shit. #i’m having a moment (via magalimoons)
#GOODBYE EVERYONE WE HAD OUR TIMES TOGETHER #bucky was drafted into a war he NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT then was hollowed into a vessel for war and nothing but. #his heart and mind were an impediment so hydra scraped him clean. #left nothing but the mechanics and the instinct and skill. #steve’s body was unfit for the war he BELIEVED he should fight so he was given a body that could— #bigger and more efficient but never a weapon for anyone’s using because his will was too strong and too present and too noble. (via digivolvin)
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"The moon landing?" Sam asks, frowning. "How long you been in the future, you haven’t seen the moon landing yet?"
"Well, I saw it," Steve says, between bites, "and it was amazing! But then a guy at the park told me that it was actually faked, so I wrote it down so I could go look into it."
"Okay, first of all, don’t take historical information from guys you meet in the park, what’s wrong with you?"
"I met you in a park," Steve replies mildly.
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